Was God once a “created” man?

We live in a society where sexual immorality is increasing. Not only are people unfaithful to their spouses, homosexuality is a major issue and pornography is rampant. Members of the LDS Church are not immune to these sexual sins. A simple google search on the words: Gay LDS, LDS pornography or LDS sexual abuse will bear this out. I myself was sexually abused as a child and I know many other Mormons and ex-Mormons who were.

I have often wondered why sexual abuse, homosexuality and pornography are so prevalent within a Church which focuses so much of its teachings on being morally clean. I’ve also wondered why our society has so quickly deteriorated into one focused on sexual perversions. I discovered one possible explanation during a Bible Class on the book of Romans.

In Romans, Paul tells us that people who worship the “creature” and not the “Creator” have been turned over to vile passions and uncleanness:

“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.”

“Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature” (1:20-26)

What Paul is saying is that anyone can look around at what God has created and know that there is a powerful God who created everything! Because of this, if someone doesn’t worship God, “they are without excuse”. And, these passages show there can be an earthly consequence for worshiping “the creature more than the Creator“. Paul explains that in some instances, God gives these people up to immoral acts through the lusts of their hearts. Many people today do not worship God and instead, choose to worship something that God has created.

Reading the Gospel Doctrine Lesson this week about the First Vision reminded me of what I had learned while studying Romans. The Lesson claims that Joseph “learned more of the nature of God the Eternal Father and the risen Lord than all the learned minds in all their discussions through all centuries of time”. From Gospel Principles, page 305, we read where Joseph taught that by nature, God is actually a “creature” and not the Creator! He says:

“When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top… This is the way our Heavenly Father became God. Joseph Smith taught: “It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. … He was once a man like us; … God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did”.

Joseph’s teaching that God used to be a man never really bothered me as a Mormon. But now that I know God as the creator and have studied His Word, I realize how false this teaching is! Joseph’s words elevate man and lower God! He makes God a mere creature, something created, and not the Creator!
Joseph “changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man”.

My God—the God of Abraham and the God of the Bible; has never been a sinful corruptible man!

Compare Joseph’s words with the Prophet Isaiah’s, who testified that God has always been God:

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) and “I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me” (Isaiah 45:5).

I don’t know whether Mormons who are sexual abusers, homosexuals or into pornography are suffering the earthly consequences for worshiping the creature and not the Creator. But I do know one thing for sure. Joseph revealed that God was once a created man who sinned, just like you and me. My God, the God of the Bible, is the Creator of all things and has never been sinful!

This Almighty God sent His Son to pay for all sins—including sexual sins and worshiping the created. His action demonstrates His infinite love for you. He is calling for you to turn to Him to be healed. Please, don’t reject this amazing God of love, who has always been God. God is the only true God! He is the Creator and not a mere creature!

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11 Comments

  1. ladonnamorrell said,

    January 16, 2009 at 10:52 am

    i do not understand you. you are hateful towards the church and this B.S. that you feel “love” towards Mormons is a crock. In this blog you are inferring that LDS people are perverted! you give yourself a little out, “i don’t know IF”, but you are inferring it none the less. you are going to burn in hell for fighting against the Lamb of God. you should be ashamed of yourself. i would bet the proverbial farm that YOU are a pervert, hiding in plain site, “holier than thou”. what did you do in your life? adultery? pre-marital? post marital? extra marital? child abuse? you have alot of nerve…and the worst part is that innocent people will read this garbage and think YOU have the inside track to the truth because you used to be a mormon. well, i hope i am around when this is shouted from the housetops! You are unbelieveably crass, crude, vulgar and nervy to make such inferences. shame, shame, shame on you! you are a disgrace. i, for one, see why you couldn’t stand the church any longer….sinners can’t take the heat of gospel truths.
    “the wicked taketh the truth to be hard”!!!

  2. trishamarie said,

    January 16, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    I would have to say that the whole belief in what God is to the Lds religion is astonishing. I grew up Lds and have just recently joined the Wels Lutheran religion and couldn’t be happier with the TRUE beliefs. It makes me sick to my stomach knowing that the Lds believe and teach that God was a creature. He is not! Just as latterdaysaintwoman said, He is our CREATOR!…nothing less! Joseph Smith through the present day prophets want the Lds to be able to go to heaven to BE A GOD. No one can be above God. no one! oh this topic is so sensitive to me… that’s all I can say about it right now. God Bless!

  3. sdrogers said,

    January 17, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    Human beings aren’t “created” in Mormon theology.

    We all existed eternally – uncreated.

  4. royaltonmd said,

    January 20, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Two things:

    1. Are you actually claiming that LDS are more likely to be homosexual, child abusers, or adulterers? This is an astonishing claim. Do you actually have any evidence to suggest that this is true? Your article belongs in the Enquirer and sounds like it is written by religious paparazzi. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is Christ’s church, but it has no perfect people in it. Please be fair!

    2. The LDS do not believe God the Father was ever a sinner. We believe He once had a mortal experience. But guess what- so did Christ. In fact the New Testament says Christ “was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” We believe the Father had a mortal experience, just like the Savior- a perfect, sinless life. Please be a little more honest and fair.

  5. Darrell said,

    January 20, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    “The LDS do not believe God the Father was ever a sinner.”

    Would you mind providing a reference to this teaching. In all my time as an LDS I never received any official teaching that God the Father never sinned. I do, however, have several official quotes which teach that He was a MORTAL man at one time JUST LIKE YOU AND ME.

    Darrell

  6. Darrell said,

    January 20, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    “Human beings aren’t “created” in Mormon theology.

    We all existed eternally – uncreated.”

    You are splitting hairs here Seth…

    By the way, science is actually taking us down a path today where the LDS Teaching that all matter is eternal is becoming more and more far fetched. The next 20 years will be very interesting in this area.

    Darrell

  7. royaltonmd said,

    January 21, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Darrell,

    Could you show me any place it has been taught authoritatively in the LDS church that God was a sinner? How about any place at all?

    I doubt it.

    royalton

  8. royaltonmd said,

    January 21, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Darrell,

    Please elaborate on the LDS teaching that “all matter is eternal” and how science makes this “far fetched.”

    I argue, to the contrary, that science is validating much of the scientific implications of LDS theology.

  9. Darrell said,

    January 21, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Royaltonmd,

    To be clear I never said the church has taught that God was once a sinner. I will say that they have taught AND CONTINUE TO TEACH that God was once a man, just as you and I. The obvious implication is that if He was a man just as you and I, then He sinned. Please find me a quote from the church that teaches clearly THAT GOD HAS NEVER SINNED and then I will stand corrected. In the meantime, here are a few of the quotes that show the LDS Teaching that God was once a man just like us.

    God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret.”
    Teachings of the Presidents of The Church: Joseph Smith

    “God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ are perfect. Both of Them are resurrected men…”
    James E Talmage, The Fullness of the Gospel

    As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.”
    Lorenzo Snow

    “It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us…”
    Joseph Smith, King Follet Discourse

    In an address in 1971, President Joseph Fielding Smith, then serving as President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, said: “I think I can pay no greater tribute to [President Lorenzo Snow and Elder Erastus Snow] than to preach again that glorious doctrine which they taught and which was one of the favorite themes, particularly of President Lorenzo Snow. …
    We have been promised by the Lord that if we know how to worship, and know what we worship, we may come unto the Father in his name, and in due time receive of his fulness. We have the promise that if we keep his commandments, we shall receive of his fulness and be glorified in him as he is in the Father.

    “This is a doctrine which delighted President Snow, as it does all of us. Early in his ministry he received by direct, personal revelation the knowledge that (in the Prophet Joseph Smith’s language), ‘God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens,’ and that men ‘have got to learn how to be Gods … the same as all Gods have done before.’

    Have a good night!!

    Darrell

  10. Darrell said,

    January 21, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Royalton,

    Here is a link to one talk about all matter being eternal.

    http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=b12557b60090c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

    If you want further references to this LDS teaching simply go to LDS.org and type in “formed eternal matter” and several references will come up. It is a clear LDS Doctrine that all matter is eternal, nothing was created, all was formed.

    One book which summarizes a lot of the current scientific data about how the universe was created from nothing (not formed from eternal matter as LDS Teach) is “I Don’t Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist” by Norman Geisler and Frank Turek. See chapters 3 -7. This book has nothing to do with Mormonism. But is does cover some great data surrounding proof for creation ex nihilo which directly contradicts mormon teaching.

    Darrell

  11. royaltonmd said,

    January 23, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Darrell,

    Thanks for the respons.

    While I agree the church teaches that God was once a mortal, I have never, ever heard it even implied that He ever sinned. So many LDS critics enjoy making such claims though.

    We have Christ in the New Testament saying He did “only those things which the Father did.”

    Look at the example of Abraham offering Isaac. Isaac of course was a type of the Savior, and Abraham of the Father. In the Pearl of Great Price, we learn that Abraham too was nearly offered in a sacrifice, adding extra poignancy to Abraham’s willingness to offer his only son much later. Anyway, this too points to the Father as having been a Sacrifice, like Christ.

    Also in the Pearl of Great Price, in the grand council, Christ is referred to “one like unto the Son of man.” This too, makes one believe that Christ was in the express Image of His Father, who too had a mortal eperience like Christ’s.

    These are quite sacred matters, and little is really known about all of it. So I rarely speak much about it.

    As far as matter being eternal, I think science actually sides with LDS doctrine in many ways. Before the creation, our texts refer to the existence of “matter unorganized.” Could this be the black matter in space- what scientists say is completely unorganized matter?

    As far as the prelude to the universe, I don’t think anybody has good knowledge about this. There are interesting theories, with wide ranging implications.Will look into it.

    Thanks,

    royalton


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