If You Believe–Eternal Life is Guaranteed!

I subscribe to a service from lds.org called LDS Gems. According to the LDS Website, these Gems “offer inspiration and increased gospel knowledge for both members and nonmembers with quotes from Church leaders on a variety of subjects.” I was emailed a Gem a few months ago with a quote from General Conference about how to gain eternal life. I would like to reference this Gem today because of some comments to this blog stating that most Mormons don’t think they are saved by their obedience:

The scriptures teach us that once we have received the ordinances of baptism and confirmation, our task then is to ‘endure to the end’ (2 Nephi 31:20). . . .
“Enduring to the end, or remaining faithful to the laws and ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ throughout our life, is a fundamental requirement for salvation in the kingdom of God. This belief distinguishes Latter day Saints from many other Christian denominations that teach that salvation is given to all who simply believe and confess that Jesus is the Christ. The Lord clearly declared, ‘If you keep my commandments and endure to the end you shall have eternal life, which gift is the greatest of all the gifts of God’ (D&C 14:7).

These words are from a member of the First Presidency and clearly state the main difference between LDS and Christian beliefs. Mormon prophets and apostles testify that you must keep the commandments to be given the “gift” of eternal life. True to the Faith states: “If we use the word salvation to mean eternal life, none of us can say that we have been saved in mortality. That glorious gift can come only after the Final Judgment.

These words may distinguish LDS from Christians but they are none the less false! LDS leaders claim that “none of us can say” we have eternal life while in mortality and yet, John the Beloved did many times! His testimony is that all who believe in Jesus have eternal life! He wrote “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.” (1 John 5:13)

The Apostle John’s message is that the moment you come to faith in Jesus you cross over from spiritual death to eternal life “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24). John states “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life: but the wrath of God abideth on him” (3:36). Notice that John always uses the “past” tense. Believers already have everlasting and eternal life with God!

The Bible clearly testifies that eternal life is a freely offered “gift” given to those with faith in Jesus. Eternal life isn’t something we earn through obedience. We can’t even qualify for it. It is given only to those who “simply believe and confess that Jesus is the Christ.” If you think you have to qualify for it through obedience, then you don’t have it. But, if you have faith that Jesus is all you need, then eternal life is guaranteed! Not because of anything that you have done or could ever do, but because of what Jesus has already done for you!

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22 Comments

  1. shematwater said,

    February 21, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    You really must understand what the leaders of the church mean before you start claiming things. I see no contradiction between what is in the Bible and what is in True to the Faith. Yes, in this life we can gain eternal life, but since we are mortal we cannot enjoy that gift until we are resurrected and pass the judgement. It is much like a person who goes off to College. Their parents tell them that if they get an A in all their classes then when they get home they will be given a certain gift. As long as that person gets all A’s they have the gift, but they cannot enjoy that gift until they graduate and return home.

  2. roxy77 said,

    February 23, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    Thankyou so much for this post. It clearly states what I have just discovered and realized for myself. I was an LDS member for a little over a year and it ended up not feeling right to me as Iearned more about it by actually beng immersed into it. I have been trying to get this message across to my husband who is LDS and has been his whole life. It’s such a different concept for them to grasp that what the Bible means what it literally says. There isn’t any tricky translating that has to be done, comparing many books and trying to read into maybe a more in depth explanation. God doesn’t trick us with “half- truths” in the Bible. The Bible teachs us that Christ did die for our sins and it literally is a free gift. There are no exceptions! Of course that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive to live good lives and follow the commandments. However, these are not additional prices to pay. I am so comforted and happy to know I am back to the truth!

  3. peacethroughgrace said,

    February 23, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    I stumbled on your blog recently and I just want to say thank you. I recently, for the first time, have made many new friends who are LDS. I am a born-again Christian trying to understand the differences, and you are doing a lot of the legwork for me! Thank you for all the work you put into your posts, and for your godly and informed responses to very hard questions. I look forward to learning more from your posts! If you’re interested, I keep a blog of my own (though posting has been sporadic lately). It’s http://peacethroughgrace.blogspot.com. I am trying just trying to use the experiences God gives me to bless others, just as I have been blessed by many like you! 🙂

  4. latterdaysaintwoman said,

    February 24, 2009 at 1:51 am

    To shematwater,

    You wrote: “Yes, in this life we can gain eternal life, but since we are mortal we cannot enjoy that gift until we are resurrected and pass the judgement. It is much like a person who goes off to College. Their parents tell them that if they get an A in all their classes then when they get home they will be given a certain gift. As long as that person gets all A’s they have the gift, but they cannot enjoy that gift until they graduate and return home

    You say that as long as a person gets all A’s, then they have received the promised gift from their parents. They just can’t enjoy that gift until they return home.

    God has commanded us to obey Him in thousands of different ways. Are you claiming that you have successfully obeyed God in all things and, having earned all A’s are simply awaiting your reward of eternal life?

  5. February 24, 2009 at 8:07 am

    Shematwater,
    Because of your comment, I feel I must ask you how you see the following verse of the Book of Mormon also keeping in mind the famous “after all we can do” passage in 2 Nephi.

    Moroni 10:32
    Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of ALL ungodliness; and IF ye shall deny yourselves of ALL ungodliness, and love God with ALL your might, mind and strength, THEN is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. (emphasis added)

    When I read this I think, “How can anyone deny themselves of ALL ungodliness?” Let me ask you this…How many people do you know who have been able to do this? When you are thinking about this, consider even the modern prophets because they would have to fall under this admonition as well. Denying “yourself of all ungodliness” would make you perfect and that is something that is not obtainable.

    The only thing that brings salvation is faith in the Grace given by God which is a wonderful and free gift to those who believe and put their trust in Him.

    Ephesians 2:8-9

    For BY GRACE are ye saved THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. (emphasis added)

    Roxy77, you are right. This is a very hard concept for LDS to understand and wrap their brains around. I know because I was one for 29 years and have thankfully found my way to a new life in Christ. I struggled with this idea for a year before it just clicked one day and I understood that what I was trying to live as a Mormon was just not possible. No one can be perfect except Christ. What hope and relief it is to have grace in my life.

    I would suggest reading the New Testament with your husband and help him see what it teaches without his “mormon eyes” and looking at the context of key passages. That is what ultimately helped me. I am working my way through Romans now and it is filled with teachings on salvation through grace.

    LDSWoman, thank you for the time you put into your blog. I enjoy reading it and seeing your strong love of God in your words.

  6. shematwater said,

    February 24, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    TO latterdaysaintwoman said

    First, to get an A in school you generally only need a 90%, which roughly translates to a 3.5 on the 4.0 scale. Therefore you can get all A’s and not be perfect. However, even without this the idea is still the same. Even if all you need is faith, you still need it to your dieing day. If you give up you faith when you are fifty you give up eternal life. It is the basic concept that although we have the gift of Eternal life, we are not in a state to fully enjoy that gift until after the judgement.

    TO douglaspennington
    This is a process. No one can wake up one day and say “hey, I’m going to be perfect now.” Now, you can deny yourself desire for ungodliness, which does not mean you will not make mistakes, only that you are trying your best. Then, once you have done this, and you add to this an absolute love of God, God gives you his grace. His grace than works in you, giving you the strength to be a little better, thus gaining a little more of his grace, which gives a little more strength, and so on so that “by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ.”
    I do not deny the power of the grace of God, nor do I, or the church, teach that you can be saved without it. We simply believe that God will only give his grace to those that actually follow him.
    It is like climbing a mountian. You and Christ are going up the side. Then you come to a small cliff that you cannot climb dew to you lack of physical strength. Christ climbs it, through a rope down, and tells you to hold on. Now, whether or not you believe he will help you, if you don’t hold on he can’t pull you up. This is all we believe.

    As to perfection, I have full confidence that we can attain it inthis life. This in no way makes us equal to Christ, because he was perfect his entire life. However, we can reach perfection, so that we will no longer commit sin for the rest of our life. When Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac, God said “…now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. (Gen. 22: 12)” I am fully convinced that this was the final test that made Abraham perfect. Also, the entire book of Job describes the final test of this great man that made him perfect. I am also fully convinced that those in the modern day who have served as president of the church have reached this point, as did all the great prophets of the Bible (Enoch was even taken because he was perfect). God himself command us to be “…perfect, even as your Father, which is in Heaven, is perfect.” I do not believe God would give any command unless it was possible for us to obey it. Further proof is in Gen 6: 9, where is states the “…Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations…” You may see these scriptures differently, but I see them as proof that it is possible for us to become perfect in this life. Now, I will also say that many good men who are not perfect, but did the best they could, will still be saved, and they will be perfected in heaven.

    As to Ephesians, I would point you to verse Ten, where it says “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should cwalk in them.” You can interpret it anyway you want, but I see this as telling us that if we do not walk in these good works we are not of Christ and therefore cannot enjoy that grace.
    I would also suggest that you look at the several verses of scripture that state that our works will be rewarded, and that it is those who did work that are excepted in the kingdom. If you want a list of references I would happily give it.

  7. February 24, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    I tried to post this once but I don’t think it worked so if this appears twice, sorry.

    Shem-
    I’m glad you went on to mention verse 10 in the Ephesians passage I quoted. I hoped you would. Does the verse mention good works? Yes, but notice when those works come, when we are “created in Christ Jesus”. Now I know you probably do not recognize other translations of the Bible based on the Mormon claim that the King James is the correct version to use but I would like to show you how the New Living Translation reads of verse 10.

    For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us ANEW in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago. (emphasis added)

    If you look at the verse in context with the others I originally quoted. The good works come after we are created anew in Christ not before. It is after we are saved and born again that works come into play. We don’t do works to be saved, we do works BECAUSE we are saved.

    We could go into the difference in definition of the word “saved” or “salvation” between Mormons and Christians but I am suffering from a massive cold and can barely keep my thoughts together enough to write this response so that will have to be a topic for another day.

    In regards to Enoch being perfect, that idea did not come from the Bible because in Genesis 5 it only says, “And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.”

    Then Hebrews 11 says…
    5By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

    In neither passage does it mention perfection.

    Noah was “perfect” in his generations not works, actions, thoughts or character. If he was, then you should have no problem with the fact that he drank wine and became drunk to the point to passing out naked after he was said to be “perfect”.

    Now your take on Abraham is a stretch to say the least. Maybe that idea of Abraham and perhaps even Enoch reaching perfection in this life came from the Pearl of Great Price. To be honest it has been too long since I read it to remember but I will look into it. If that is true then the issue at hand is the validity of the translation of Joseph Smith which is a whole other story.

    Here is a question for you. If we can become perfect in this life, like you said Abraham, Noah and Enoch did, why then would we even need a Savior? If we can over come all sin, from what do we need to be saved?

    I am off to bed to try to kick this cold. God Bless.

  8. shematwater said,

    February 25, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    First, as to Ephesians, I agree with what you say completely. It is after we have received Christ, and he has given his grace that we have the strength and power to perform the Good works which he has ordained for us to do. However, I would ask “what happens if we do not do these good works?” If we are ordained to do them and yet refuse the only logical conculsion is that we lose the salvation that we had. Thus the works are required of us.
    I explained this. We do what we can (simply believing in Christ is an act or work on our part) and we are given the Grace of God. Through this grce we than have the power to do more, and thus receive even more more grace. In this way we continually progress until we are made perfect through his grace.

    Your question concerning the need for a savior is answered in the same way. On our own we cannot be perfect. It is impossible. However, with the Grace of God giving us strength and power we can progress until we are perfect. The need is still there.

    As to my reasoning concerning these men, as far as I can tell to be translated one must be perfect. We have a record of only a few men who were translated, all of whom were prophets. It is a very special honor to be translated.

    As to Noah, him being drunk does not show any great error on his part. I have once heard it explained that after the flood, when Noah began to plant the crops, he was unskilled in the pressing of Grapes for their juice. He made a mistake and the juice firmented. A mistake in innocence that does not seem to be repeated. I do not believe he ever intentionally got drunk. The wording of the Bible can support either conclusion.

  9. peacethroughgrace said,

    February 25, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    To shematwater,

    The works are not a requirement, as you say. They are a humble doing in response to the awe and grace of God in our lives. A person who has been born again in Christ Jesus will bear fruit, aka good works, in his or her life. If their life is not bearing fruit, then one would question whether or not they are truly born again. One cannot lose their salvation, if it was a true surrender to Christ Jesus.

  10. February 26, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    I agree with PeaceThroughGrace when she said that one cannot loose their salvation if they have been truly surrendered their lives to Christ.

    I have been told by a lot of Mormons, and I thought the same thing when I was LDS, that the Christian way of salvation is the easy way out and too good to be true. That there has to be more to it then just believing. Then, they usually bring up the idea that someone can say they are saved and “accept” Jesus and then go on sinning with no change in their life. It is my belief that if someone does that, then they do not understand the teachings on Grace and their confession of faith was not sincere. Grace does not encourage the desire to sin but fosters and eagerness for good. This idea is taught in the book of Titus.

    Titus 2:11-14

    For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

    I am currently reading a book by Max Lucado called “In The Grip Of Grace” and so far it is a great read. Having only left the Mormon church one year ago, I am having to study and learn Biblical truth from scratch and this book has helped me understand how grace can and should work in my life.

  11. daveymike said,

    February 27, 2009 at 7:09 am

    douglaspennington,

    God bless you on your new journey. I left the church almost two years ago after a stunning experience with God’s grace after years of trying to please God through good works and extreme LDS church activity. I have been voraciously reading all I can to grow from a baby Christian…Hope to see you here often.

  12. daveymike said,

    February 27, 2009 at 7:31 am

    peacethroughgrace said:
    “One cannot lose their salvation, if it was a true surrender to Christ Jesus.”
    When LDS, I feared what all LDS do: sinning again means all those former sins come back to me (D&C 82:7). Not until I received God’s grace did I understand that trusting Him meant He and His grace are sufficient to wash away my sins even if I occasionally fall back into them.
    LDS believe one falls from grace by sinning (D&C 20:32). Yet Paul makes it clear that you fall from grace by trying to make works the way to please God to obtain His salvation (Galatians 5:4; Galatians 2:21; Romans 11:6).
    Grace is not cheap; it is priceless.

  13. shematwater said,

    February 27, 2009 at 10:50 am

    For some reason you are saying exactly what I said, only in a different way. You are confirming the fact that without the Good Works you are not saved, as you are not demonstrating the proper faith.
    You have said nothing that I do not agree with, and that is not taught in the LDS faith. James says that faith without works is dead, and you have said the same thing.
    The only real difference in what we are saying is where the emphasis is. You are emphasising faith, and down playing works, while I am putting them on equal ground.
    However, I will add to my words another difference between our beliefs. Works can generate faith, yet faith does not always generate works. Judas believed in Christ as the savior yet he betrayed him. His faith did not generate good works.
    However, in 2 Kings chapter 5 we read of Naaman who was inflicted with Leprosy. He went to be cured of Elisha, who told him to wash seven times in the Jordan. Lacking the faith he left in anger. It was his servant who convinced him to try, even though he believed it would not work. However, after he had obeyed the command and was cured he returned rejoicing with full faith in the God of Israel. His Good Works generated faith.
    So it has been in my life. I believe Christ is my Savior. However, some things I have been commanded to do I do not see the purpose. I lack faith. However, I obey the command, and once I begin to see the effect in my life I gain a faith in that doctrine. It is again a cycle of faith, grace, work, etc.
    God has even told us not to take his commands on blind faith. In Malachi 3: 10 he says “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” Granted he is speaking of the Law of Tithing at this time, but if we are to prove him in one thing should we not prove him in all.
    God has invited us to see the result of our works for ourselves. He has asked us to test his commands, and his word through our actions. So, yes, true faith will frequently lead to good works. However, good works will also lead to faith.

  14. February 27, 2009 at 10:57 am

    daveymike,
    Thanks for the encouraging words. You have probibly seen me on other blogs and forums under the name Soy Yo. I’m not sure why, but that name does not show up here. Understanding the doctrine of Grace as taught in the Bible has changed my life forever.

    God Bless!

  15. latterdaysaintwoman said,

    February 27, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Douglas,

    I appreciate your comments also. On your last comment, it went to my spam. I didn’t notice it until you re-commented and said it didn’t work. When I went to the spam and clicked on “approve” it wouldn’t do it. The only way I could do anything with it was to delete it. You have commented before several times, was there something different? I am not very technical thinking so I couldn’t figure it out.

  16. shematwater said,

    February 27, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    One other note. If faith is all you need, and that will lead to good works, than how to you explain that devils believe but do not have the good works (James 2: 19)?

  17. Soy Yo said,

    February 27, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Shem, is that an honest question? If it is, I will answer it but I think you already know what the answer will be.

  18. shematwater said,

    February 28, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Soy Yo

    I believe I know what the answer will be as well. It is a serious, honest question, but not one I really intended for people to answer, but to ponder. The question is valid. If faith, by itself, is sufficient to save why are the devils not saved?
    This poses a problem. However, if you take the idea that faith alone is not sufficient, than the answer becomes simple.

    I have noticed that in general those posting on this thread have agreed with what I have said, and yet they fight against it. They say that if don’t have the good works you do not truly have faith. I say that if you truly have faith you will have the good works. Both give the idea that if you have only the faith, or only the works you will not be saved.
    The only real difference between what we say is the idea that true faith will always lead to good works, which I do not believe. That is the purpose of me asking this question. Simply to show that true faith will not always lead to good works.

  19. Soy Yo said,

    March 2, 2009 at 9:10 am

    The answer is actually simpler then that and you don’t even have to get into the faith/grace vs. works debate. I don’t think devils and demons are even eligible for salvation. They are part of the unseen spiritual realm which I think has access to both the spiritual world and ours which is something hard for us to comprehend because we only have visual access to our world (with very few exceptions). I imagine this takes them out of the faith category and puts them into the knowledge one. They KNOW who Jesus is and that is why they fight so hard against what God is doing for and through His people. Unfortunately for them, Jesus came to save the human race and they are not part of that.

    I have heard Mormons ask that question a lot recently but I’m not sure why because from their “plan of salvation” view, devils and demons have no chance for salvation either. So saying that the Christian view of salvation through faith is wrong because demons cannot be saved through it is ridiculous because their faith/works system does not allow for it either. Under the LDS belief, they chose to follow Satan and not come to earth so they are lost forever.

    Yes, we both believe that faith AND works are important but it is the order in which they come that creates the divide.

    LDS
    Faith + Works = Salvation

    Christians
    Faith + Salvation = Works

    The change in the equation is small but the difference in meaning is huge.

    I’m off to work. It is my hope that everyone has a blessed day.

  20. latterdaysaintwoman said,

    March 2, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Very well said!!!!!! Thanks.

  21. shematwater said,

    March 2, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    SOY YO

    I like your answer, but your comparisson to the LDS faith did not quite make sense. Devils have no chance for salvation because they failed to show good works in the pre-existance, or spirit world. It still comes down to works.

    I believe I showed in a previous post (of course it could have been on a different thread so sorry if it is) that it is possible for works to create faith. I agree that Faith + Salvation can equal works. However, I also think that Faith + Works does equal salvation, as does works + faith.
    My Example was of Naaman the syrian who went to Elisha to be healed of Leprosy. He lacked the faith, but through the persuations of his servant he performed the action required, and because the promise was fullfilled he gained faith. This illustrates my point well. When we ask something of the Lord, and are told we will receive it if we perform a certain task we must perform that task, regardless of the faith we have. In the LDS church we have been told that if we pay an honest tithe (10%) we will be blessed with the means to provide for our temporal needs. God has placed this blessing on the action of paying tithing. If I do not pay I will not be blessed in this way. However, if I do pay, regardless of whether I believe or not, I will be blessed.
    After writing this I believe I have had an epiphany. When I speak of doing good works I speak of receiving specific blessings. Faith grants of salvation in heaven, our works determine what blessing we receive along the way, therefore our reward once there. As Christ said in Rev. 22: 12 “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” So, we believe to be saved, but we work to be rewarded.

  22. golds2 said,

    March 4, 2009 at 10:45 am

    The problem that orthodox Christians like Roxy77 and douglaspennington have is a very superficial understanding of the doctrine of salvation. No offense intendend.

    They cite Eph. 2:8-9 with no understanding of what “faith” actually is, or what is being talked about in reference to works.

    First, faith is more than “mere belief”, otherwise we are just like the devils who believe. Now Christians will say that they have some type of different, super delux “mere belief” that is better that what the devils exibit, but: Hebrews 11:1 tells us that faith is substance, and EVIDENCE. We are saved by the “faith” defined in Matt 19. Christ is asked point blank what the recipe for eternal life is…His response? OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS. That is the faith mentioned in Eph 2:8-9, and also what it means to be “created in Christ unto good works.” As Christ said:

    “Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you”…John 15:14.

    Now Orthodox Christians will resort to any means possible to claim that Matt 19 is “a special case”, or “it doesn’t mean that” but all of these objections are entirely unbiblical. But this is their only line of defense to support a false theology. Be aware of it.

    As Christ said in John 15:10 – If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love…

    And as for the first “works” mentioned in Ephesians 2:9, if you understand the scriptures, its painfully obvious this is a reference to the works of the law of Moses, which Christ did away with…The hundreds of obnoxious laws that forced Israel into strict obedience. This has nothing to do with God’s law as described in Matt 19…

    Galatians 2:16 – Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ…

    And what about faith again? As James says, faith if it hath not works is dead, being alone…

    And here’s a nice sequence:
    Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, or uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

    2 John 6 – And this is love, that we walk after his commandments…

    So Faith works by keeping the commandments. And when you don’t keep the commandments and choose sin instead?

    Hebrews 10:26 – For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowlege of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins…

    Oh, and I can’t resist citing Paul:
    Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea we establish the law. Romans 3:31. Not the “obedience when convenient thing” but the “LAW”…Gods Law.

    And Rev 22: 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city…

    Thay would be the tree of “eternal life”…Join the only true AND biblical church, the Mormon Church.


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