No One is Good but God!

Mormon prophets testify that to gain eternal life we must obey the commandments. Recently I received a comment pointing me to the story of the rich young ruler in Matthew 19 as proof that LDS prophets speak God’s truth. The commenter writes: “Christ is asked point blank: What must I do to gain eternal life? And Christ’s response? Keep the commandments.”

I absolutely love this story because when you read it carefully it actually shows that a person can’t gain eternal life with their works! This story gives Christians a great example of how we should share the gospel with someone who thinks they can be “good” enough at obeying God’s commands. This story shows that Jesus understood God’s intended purpose of His law. (Read my recent Post from February 11th titled: “Why did Heavenly Father Give Us Commandments?” for more information.)

This young man was someone who thought he didn’t sin very often. Here we read about an arrogant man who truly believed that he was “good”. We can see his arrogance in his response to what Jesus says to him. His first words to Jesus were “Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?” Before he even begins his conversation with Jesus, he already believes that he must “do something good” to gain eternal life. Notice that he doesn’t ask Jesus how to gain eternal life, he already thinks he knows. Jesus responds to this by saying “Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God” Jesus tells the rich man that only God is good! This gives the young man the opportunity to come to the realization that he (the rich man) is not good.

In response to his question Jesus tells the rich man “but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” He does this because Jesus knows the purpose of God’s law!! Jesus understands that this man has to recognize how sinful he is, before he will seek a Savior! Jesus gives this man God’s laws, and He comes down very hard on him. He first gives him the do not commandments:
1) Do not murder 2) Do not commit adultery 3) Do not steal 4) Do not bear false witness.
And then Jesus tells him the do commands:
5) Honour your Father and Mother 6) Love your neighbor as yourself.

And how does the rich man respond? He tells Jesus that he has kept all these commandments from his youth up. This man believed that he wasgood and possibly only lacked “one good thing”. But, do you think that Jesus believed him? In His Sermon on the Mount Jesus had already taught that we must be as perfect as our Heavenly Father! Jesus taught that looking on a woman and lusting after her is the same as committing adultery. Do you think Jesus believed the rich man’s claim that he had always loved his neighbor as himself?

At this point in his life this man sees no need for a Savior. Why would he? He truly believes that he is good enough to gain eternal life with his own works. He had already rejected the message Jesus first gave him—that “only God is good”, and boldly claimed that he was good. So, in response: “Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.”

Think about the commandment that Jesus gave to the young man. This would be a very hard thing to do, to sell all you have and follow Jesus. But, Jesus lovingly told him the one thing that would cause this man to look into his heart and see that he was sinful–that he was not good. This is the purpose of the law. God’s law is a mirror for us to look into God’s Word and see that we are sinful and that only God is good! We do not hear anything more about this rich man, but possibly he came to faith later as a direct result of Jesus’ pointing out his sin to him.

God’s Law was given to you as a way to cause you to despair of saving yourself through you’re own works–and then to cling to the perfect works of Jesus! Through faith in Jesus you will be credited with His righteousness! All praise and glory to our Savior Jesus!

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22 Comments

  1. shematwater said,

    March 6, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    This really doesn’t sound right. What would have happened if the man had sold everything he owned, given it to the poor, and followed Christ? Would he have been perfect as Christ had said? Quite obviously he would have been or Christ would have been lieing, which he never did.
    You can say that Christ new what the mans reaction would be and so there was no chance of him doing this, but it would still be dishonest in principle.

    When Christ said there is none that is Good except the Father he was excluding himself along with everyone else. If you take this interpretatin than Christ has admitted that he is not perfect and so would have been unfit to atone for the sins of all men.

    Christ first tells the Young man that only the Father Good, meaning that he is the only one that we worship. While it is through Christ that we gain salvation, it is still from the Father. When he tells him to keep the commandments to gain life he means just that. When he tells the man that to be perfect he must sell everything and follow Christ, he means just that.

    Now, as much as people want to believe that all men are grotesquely evil, I do not see this in the Bible. Yes we have all sinned, and no one can be perfect ont their own. However, we can be good, decent men, and the young man in this story was a good and decent man.

  2. Darrell said,

    March 7, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Shematwater,

    The Bible clearly tells us we are all evil. Check out Romans 3…

    10As it is written:
    “There is no one righteous, not even one;
    11there is no one who understands,
    no one who seeks God.
    12All have turned away,
    they have together become worthless;
    there is no one who does good,
    not even one.”
    13″Their throats are open graves;
    their tongues practice deceit.”
    “The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
    14″Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
    15″Their feet are swift to shed blood;
    16ruin and misery mark their ways,
    17and the way of peace they do not know.”
    18″There is no fear of God before their eyes.

    Sounds pretty evil to me. What would Christ have done if the man would have sold everything… I suspect He would have told Him another rule he needed to keep. Christ was pointing out how legalism CANNOT get you into Heaven… only Christ can… for as Christ said a little later in the chapter “All things are possible with God”. Legalism leads to pride – Christ leads to Heaven!!

    Darrell

  3. latterdaysaintwoman said,

    March 7, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Shem,

    You wrote: “Now, as much as people want to believe that all men are grotesquely evil, I do not see this in the Bible.

    It is definitely in the Bible, if you are willing to open your eyes and your heart.

    Darrell gave you a reference to Romans chapter three. If you would like to read those passages in the KJV, just go to this link: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/tg/m/26 . This link takes you to the LDS TOPICAL GUIDE found in the back of your Bible. The topic referenced is “Man, Natural, Not Spiritually Reborn”. You will find other Bible references under this topic which also show that men are grotesquely evil.

    Another topic that agrees with this truth can be found in the LDS TOPICAL GUIDE under the topic “Carnal Mind” at this link: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/tg/c/32.

  4. latterdaysaintwoman said,

    March 7, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Shem,

    You also wrote: “When Christ said there is none that is Good except the Father he was excluding himself along with everyone else. If you take this interpretatin than Christ has admitted that he is not perfect and so would have been unfit to atone for the sins of all men.

    You have read something into this passage that was not said. Jesus did not say “except the Father“, He actually said “There is none good but one, that is, God:” The word He used was God, not Father. Jesus was not excluding himself because He is God.

    Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. .

    Isaiah 9: 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Hebrews 1: 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

    Jude 24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

  5. shematwater said,

    March 7, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    When did I ever say anyone was perfect, or that any of us are wholey without sin? I never did. We are all sinners. However, in all these references (and I have read them before) I see nothing that proclaims us all as gross sinners.

    What these references are telling us is that if we deny God we will be gross sinners. However, if we have faith we can be righteous, which is what i have said from the beginning.

    To Latterdaysaintwoman

    Your post does not make sense. If Christ is the god that he is refering to why did he tell the man not to call him good. Read this again. Matthew 19: 16-17 “And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God...”
    He is told not to call Christ good because only God is good. If Christ is refering to himself than the statement is a contradiction of itself.

    I do not say that Christ is not God, but he is not The God, or Father in Heaven. It is the Father we worship, and only he is Good. The Father is God, and the literal Father of our spirits. Jesus is the son of God, and is God, and the adopted Father of our souls.

  6. shematwater said,

    March 8, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    To Darrel (and everyone else)

    Let us look at how others tell this story. In Mark10: 17-22 it says “And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.”

    Notice here that Christ tells him that he lacks only one things, which is to sell all and follow Christ. So, I ask again, if he does this one thing would he have been perfect? The argument that Christ would have told him another thing to do does not stand up. If this was the one thing that he lacked, and then Christ told him another Christ would be dishonest.

    Now, I know that some will argue that Christ simply meant that one of the many things this man lacked was to sell all, and so after he did this Christ would be justified in telling him more. So let us look at Luke 18: 18-23 “And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.”

    In very clear terms Christ tells him that he only lacks one thing in these verses.

  7. jumpingjackagain said,

    March 9, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Hi again,

    Please explain why Jesus would say, ““Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.” If He is “God” then why did He deny the title “good”?

    thanks,
    meg

  8. latterdaysaintwoman said,

    March 9, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Shem,
    You write: “However, in all these references (and I have read them before) I see nothing that proclaims us all as gross sinners.

    Even one sin makes you guilty of breaking all of God’s law. Only one sin makes you a gross sinner. “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.” James 2:10-11

    You write: “Your post does not make sense. If Christ is the god that he is refering to why did he tell the man not to call him good. Read this again. Matthew 19: 16-17 “And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God…” He is told not to call Christ good because only God is good. If Christ is refering to himself than the statement is a contradiction of itself.

    Shem, Jesus does not tell the man “not to call him good!” Please read the scripture you are quoting. Look at what you wrote, and then look at the scripture you quote. You wrote “why did he tell the man not to call him good.” Here is what Jesus actually said: “Why callest thou me good?
    Jesus didn’t tell the man to “not call him good”. He asked the man a question. He asked the man why he called him good.

    In another place in Matthew we read where Jesus responds to someone by asking a question. He obviously is not stating a fact by the question he asks, and he does not expect someone to take his question as truth. He is merely trying to make a point: “While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!” Matthew 12:46

    In the story we are discussing, Jesus is giving the man the opportunity to recognize that the very question he is asking is a mistake!!! He calls Jesus “Master” (which means “teacher”). This man thinks Jesus is a mere man, and yet he calls him “good”. In this simple question, Jesus is asking him “If you think I am a mere man, why would you call me good? Only God is good.”

    Shem, If we take your interpretation of these passage, it appears you are saying that Jesus was telling the man that He, the Savior of the world, was not good?

  9. latterdaysaintwoman said,

    March 9, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    Shem,
    You write: “Notice here that Christ tells him that he lacks only one things, which is to sell all and follow Christ. So, I ask again, if he does this one thing would he have been perfect? The argument that Christ would have told him another thing to do does not stand up. If this was the one thing that he lacked, and then Christ told him another Christ would be dishonest…In very clear terms Christ tells him that he only lacks one thing in these verses.

    Following this story to verse 24, Jesus also said, “And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    According to how you interpret these scriptures, in very clear terms Christ is telling the disciples that a rich man cannot enter the kingdom of God. Can a camel truly go through the eye of a needle or is Jesus being dishonest here?

  10. latterdaysaintwoman said,

    March 9, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Meg,

    You wrote: “Please explain why Jesus would say, ““Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.” If He is “God” then why did He deny the title “good”?

    Here is the verse as it reads: “And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God” Matthew 19: 16.

    As I replied to Shem, in no way does Jesus deny the title “good”. Jesus asks the man a question. He asks “Why callest thou me good?” Asking a question does not deny something or even speak truth. (as we see in Matthew chapter 12 which I responded to Shem).

    This young man called Jesus “Master” which means teacher. He is referring to Jesus as a mere man, and yet, calls Him “good”. Jesus is not denying the title “good”. Jesus is trying to teach the young man that only God is good and that he (the rich young man) cannot be good by his own actions!

    This young man has had the opportunity to see Jesus as the Savior of the world! He would have been familiar with Isaiah 9: 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    If he knew Jesus as the Savior, he would have known that Jesus was God and good. And, he would have known that he could not gain eternal life through his own works.

    The disciples asked Jesus “Who then can be saved?” Jesus replied “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

  11. Darrell said,

    March 9, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Shem,

    You said:

    Notice here that Christ tells him that he lacks only one things, which is to sell all and follow Christ. So, I ask again, if he does this one thing would he have been perfect? The argument that Christ would have told him another thing to do does not stand up. If this was the one thing that he lacked, and then Christ told him another Christ would be dishonest.

    If you honestly believe this was the only thing this man needed to do to get into Heaven, I have an honest question for you. I am not asking this to be rude… I am asking this to get you to think about what you are saying…

    Have you sold everything you have, given all the money to the poor and given your life full time to following Christ? If that is really what Christ was saying we need to do to get to Heaven, have you done it?

    Honestly ask yourself if THAT was the point Christ was making… because if it was and you have not done it you are in trouble. Or, could it be He was making another point entirely?

    Darrell

  12. Darrell said,

    March 9, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    “If He is “God” then why did He deny the title “good”?

    Latter Day Saint Woman answered that very well. I want to provide scriptural support for the fact that…

    1. Jesus declared Himself to be God

    2. His disciples declared Him to be God after His death and resurrection

    Here are some scriptures to consider:

    John 14:10 “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!

    In this verse Jesus declares Himself to be God who spoke with Abraham in Exodus 3:14 and told Moses His name was “I Am“. Here is the verse from Exodus.

    God said to Moses, “I am who I am . This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’

    John 14:7 “If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.

    John 14:9 “Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

    These are pretty self explanatory… Jesus says that He is the Father because anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father.

    1 John 5:20 “We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

    Here John tells us exactly who Jesus is… He is the TRUE GOD.

    Romans 9:5 “Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

    Paul tells us here that Jesus is GOD OVER ALL.

    Titus 2:13 “while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ

    Once again Paul tells exactly who he believes Jesus to be – OUR GREAT GOD.

    John 20:28 “Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!

    This one is very interesting because Thomas was touching the resurrected Savior and seeing evidence for himself that Christ was raised from the dead. When he did he looked at the Savior and said “My Lord and my God“. He called the Savior God to HIS FACE. Did Christ rebuke him? No, Christ accepted the worship and even praised Thomas and others who will believe that He is their Savior and God by saying;

    Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

    I understand the Mormon view of the Nature of God fairly well as I was a member of the LDS Church for years prior to becoming a Christian. The idea that Christ is a spirit born son of God the Father is simply not supported by The Bible. Mormonism is nothing but modern day Arianism and it lowers Christ by teaching that He is less than the Eternal God The Bible declares Him to be. The Bible declares Jesus to be our Lord, God and Savior. As Isaiah says of Him…

    For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
    And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

    He IS OUR MIGHTY GOD AND OUR EVERLASTING FATHER! All praise be to Him!!

    Darrell

  13. jumpingjackagain said,

    March 10, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Darrell,

    I am so confused. Doesn’t the Bible tell us that Jesus is the Son of God? How can you say that the Bible doesn’t support that teaching? I am not LDS, or really a Christian, I guess. I am searching for something I can understand. And I think that scripture that LDS woman quoted says that Jesus is asking the man, “why would you call ME good, when only God is good”. Isn’t he giving honor to His father? That is how I understand it. Where could I find a book that explains the real meaning of the scriptures like you explain them?

    thanks,
    meg

  14. Darrell said,

    March 10, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Meg,

    Those are all really great questions. I would be happy to talk with you about them. The questions really boil down to what is The Nature of God. A book I highly recommend which covers this among many other issues is by CS Lewis titled “Mere Christianity”.

    In order to apprehend God we really have to get a grasp of the gulf between Him and us. He is inifinite and we are finite. He marshalled the starry skies, breaths out stars one by one and names them and numbers the hairs on our heads. We are as a mist, here today and gone tomorrow. Truly grasping God is like trying to take the ocean (the inifinite) and place it in a hole in the beach (the finite). Isaiah Chapter 40 is a great look at how great God is. In addition, CS Lewis does about as good of a job with this as anyone I have ever seen.

    Feel free to ask me any questions you like. God bless you in your search!! I will say some prayers for you!

    Darrell

  15. shematwater said,

    March 11, 2009 at 11:34 am

    To Latterdaysaintwoman

    I am sorry, but I just don’t see it. The question was asked of the man so that he would acknowledge the Father, and not only Christ. It is as Jumpingjack says. He is giving honor to the Father, telling this man to worship the Father and not the Son, which is right. The very nature of the question shows this.
    calling Christ master does not indicate you thin he is mortal, nor does it necessarily mean teacher. As God is the master of all things it is very possible that this man was refering to Christ in this way. Thus, taking this honor and giving it to the Father is perfectly appropriate.

    Also, Christ did not say it was impossible for a rich man to make it to heaven. It is obviously very difficult, but not impossible. Think of Abraham who had great wealth, as did Isaac and Jacob. And King Hezikiah was wealthy, but he saved. And though you may disagree with me, I think that Peter, James and John were all very well off, owning a fishing fleet. All these men were very rich, and all made it to heaven.
    What Christ is saying is that a person who loves his money, a person who puts his heart in is riches, will not make it to heaven. When this young man was told to sell everything he was unwilling. This showed that his motivation was wrong. He lived a good life, but he prefered his money to the kingdom of heaven. These people cannot make it to heaven.

    As to being gross sinners, I still don’t see it. Even in James I don’t see it. However, I will agree that if you take the philosophy that there is only one heaven, and one hell, this must be what he is saying. I believe in multiple levels of heaven, thus I can see a different meaning.
    If we are to awarded according to our works (as John tells us in Rev 22: 12) than it is resonable to assume that there are different levels of rewards. To gain the highest one must be perfect. Therefore, when we commit even the smallest of sins we lose out on this greatest reward. Whether we commit one or thousands we will not gain the best reward. As we should all be striving for this reward what James says makes perfect sense.

    TO DERREL

    That is the one thing this young man needed. As I said ealier in this post, this would show that his motivation was right, that he truly put God before everything else. Me, I have a lot to do before I can say I am down to the last thing. However, if I was commanded of teh lord to sell everything I owned in order to join the ministry I would not hesitate. This is not a challenge for me.
    Each must face their own challenge to be made perfect. Abraham had to be willing to offer Isaac. Job endure great suffering and went several days with the Lord completely absent, no answer to his prayers. This rich young man needed to sell everything. I do not know what my challenge will be, as they are only given to us when there is nothing else left that will test our faith, and as I said, I am a long ways away. However, I do hope to reach that point before the Lord returns so that I face my savior with a truly pure soul and welcome him into my home.

    TO JUMPINGJACK

    If you want something that actually makes sense, in a logical way, I would ahve to suggest the LDS church. I have found nothing else that answers the difficult questions better, and presented them in such a clear way. I know that most in these threads will disagree, but I can only tell things the way I understand them.

  16. roxy77 said,

    March 11, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    This post makes some really good points! I know it can be such a tricky topic when discussing it with an LDS member since it can be interpreted and twisted in many ways.

    This is a little off topic and maybe not the place to bring it up, but I am always curious to hear peoples stories on how they left the church and what helped them in coming to the truth? I was a LDS member for only a little over a year and just left last September. My husband is a member and has been his whole life. It’s been challenging for us to find a common ground with religion (I am now back to being a lutheran). Is there any adivse as to how I should effectivly approach teaching these truths to him? Its hard not to end in arguement! I believe in a past comment someone mentioned to me that reading the New Testiment together would help. I am afraid if we read it I will see a verse one way and he will have his own interpretation. Thanks!

  17. Darrell said,

    March 12, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Roxy,

    Good to hear a little about your story. I was LDS for many years. I started to see the light through researching the history of the LDS Church. I came to realize that the story the church shares is, for lack of a better word, whitewashed. There are many aspects of the history that are not shared with the members for fear that people will “lost their faith”. Once I came to see many aspects of the history in a new light I started to wonder about the doctrine as well. I had never really “dug into” The Bible and I decided to do so very prayerfully. Through studying The Bible I came to find that many of the LDS Doctrines DO NOT match with it’s teachings. I saw that it is impossible for both The Bible to be true and Mormon Doctrine to be true… for they teach VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. At that point it really came down to one of three choices…

    1. The Bible is true
    2. The LDS Church is true
    3. Neither are true

    Through careful study and prayer I learned the real history of The Bible and how amazing it is. God has held it up for over 2000 years and it is unmatched in archeological and historical proofs. It really is amazing how much evidence their is for Christianity!! My wife and I decided to take our lives back from the LDS Church and to turn them over to Christ. I now trust in HIM alone to save me… not some manmade institution. The rest is history!!

    Anyways… that is a little about my story… back to work!!

    Darrell

  18. Darrell said,

    March 12, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Shem,

    If you were to die today, can you say with confidence that you will go to The Celestial Kingom (Heaven in Christian terms)? That is what this really boils down to… The Bible tells us that, if we put our faith in Christ, we can approach the throne of Grace WITH CONFIDENCE knowing our salvation is assured. If you place your trust in your “works” rather than in Christ alone, you cannot be assured of your salvation. As The Bible tells us even the best of our works are as nothing but “dirty rags” to God. They will never get you there… only He can.

    Darrell

  19. latterdaysaintwoman said,

    March 12, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Hello Roxy,

    I am praying for you and your husband. I praise the Lord that He has opened your eyes to truth. You mentioned that you were curious about my story and why I left the Church. I will be posting my next Post about that topic in a few hours. Maybe that will help answer your questions.

    You wrote: “My husband is a member and has been his whole life. It’s been challenging for us to find a common ground with religion (I am now back to being a lutheran). Is there any adivse as to how I should effectivly approach teaching these truths to him? Its hard not to end in arguement! I believe in a past comment someone mentioned to me that reading the New Testiment together would help. I am afraid if we read it I will see a verse one way and he will have his own interpretation.”

    I converted my first husband to Mormonism and he asked me lots of questions that I had never before even thought of. Many of these questions got me thinking. I love your idea of reading the New Testament together. The only thing that will bring him to faith is the power of God’s Word. Trust in God and His power, not human reasoning.

    Maybe he would be willing to compare the little Mormon book “True to the Faith” with Bible passages. Using the common ground of the Bible as your source of truth and an official LDS publication as his, can be a place to start.

    Hey, I go to a Lutheran Church also! Isn’t it awesome?! I love how the Bible is placed above human logic, reasoning, emotions and tradition. As Darrel said–God’s Word is trustworthy and awesome!

  20. shematwater said,

    March 13, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Darrel

    If I died today I know that my works have not been the greatest and would feel very out of place in the celestial kingdom. In truth it would probably cause me greater pain to be in that kingdom than to be in the terrestial, which is where I would end up. However, I will not die today, or tomarrow, or any time in the near future. God has given me the time that I may correct my mistakes, change in my very nature. Thus when I do meet God and
    Christ I will have been given every oportunity to make my life right and be able to stand with confidence that I will live inthe Celestial kingdom.
    However, from a traditionall christian perspective I would stand with confidence that I would be admitted into heaven, as my trust is only in Christ Jesus.

  21. Darrell said,

    March 13, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    “However, I will not die today, or tomarrow, or any time in the near future.”

    How can you be so confident that you will not die tonight? Or, how about tomorrow in your car? I have known quite a few people who died at a very young age within the past year… all very sudden and unexpected. None of us knows when our lives will be taken from us. I am shocked that you would be willing to say that you will not die today, tomorrow, or anytime in the near future. Seems rather presumptuous. I would never be so bold as to claim that I know the future. No one knows this but One… God.

    The wonderful aspect of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as contained in the Holy Bible is that if I were to die today, I know with CONFIDENCE that I will spend eternity with my Heavenly Father in Heaven (THE CELESTIAL KINGDOM). I do not have to worry about if I have been good enough to do so… because it is not because of ME that I will be there… it is only because of my Lord, God and Savior JESUS CHRIST.

    Darrell

  22. shematwater said,

    March 15, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    DERREL

    I say what I did with confidence because I do know. I do not presume to know this of myself, but by the Spirit which will reveal all things to any man who truly and faithfully seeks for them.
    To say no man knows the future is to deny all the prophecies that have been spoken. John may have written in riddles, but he still saw what was going to happen. Just as Daniel di, and Isaiah, and the prophets that prophecied of things to come. Many prophecies speak of exact times and they have been fullfilled.
    I do not claim to prophicy, but I do claim the plivilage of communicating with my Father in heaven to know what I am to do and how long I have to do it.

    As I am confident that I have at least a few years before I die, I am also confident that you will receive that which you seek and will live in the pressence of our Lord Jesus Christ. I know your faith is sufficient to garuntee you this, and I will never say otherwise.


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